", CLIFFORD SCHORER: Because there's just crates and crates and crates. I can point out that prices at auction are still 40 percent below the price that a well-executed private sale treaty could be done at, if the buyer and the seller are fully informed and have all the information, understand the importance or lack of importance of the work, you know, the things that an auction doesn't allow for. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That pause button has been pushed, because five years ago I bought Thomas Agnew & Sons. So there's thosethere's those kind of, you know, the grime of Naples and the horror that life must've been during the plague of 1650 creates this explosion of these gruesome paintings. ", CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, I mean, "A Molenaer is more than $20,000?" I'm also sendingwherever there is some scholarly interest, I'm sending them out to museums, so that somebody puts a new mind on them, puts a new eyeball on them. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. Do you have all your collections in a database, or what kind of inventory do you keep? And they had to water it with a watering spray gun. CLIFFORD SCHORER: See, I don't want to seem like. JUDITH RICHARDS: How important is that to you? CLIFFORD SCHORER: I don't want to slight anybody if they think they played that role in my life, but it was a very solitary pursuit. Washington,DC20001, 300 Park Avenue SouthSuite 300 I was in East Germany, Romania, Albania, you know. I mean, a story I'm obsessed with is theis the German scientist who invented the nitrate process for fertilizer, because in his hands lies the population explosion of the 20th century. So I actuallyas part of my company, I had a 70,000-square-foot warehouse, which grew to be over a million square feet by the time I quit. American printmaker and painter Winslow Homer was a widely revered artist of the 19th century, and his oeuvre continues to captivate viewers today. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes, and theyyou know, in a sense, that's lovely, but that, that's not really me. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, I can just give a recent example. $14. ], JUDITH RICHARDS: That's okay. No, it was a lot of fun. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Absolutely. JUDITH RICHARDS: You've started your own company, Bottom Line Exchange. [Laughs.] You know? That was completely alone. JUDITH RICHARDS: Did you ever buy them in the mail, like kids did? Winslow Homer (February 24, 1836 - September 29, 1910) was an American landscape painter and printmaker, best known for his marine subjects.He is considered one of the foremost painters in 19th-century America and a preeminent figure in American art. $17. So I said, "Okay." CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. You know, you name it. But no, I mean, I can'tI didn't think it was a subjectI understood that it wasthese were products made for the export market. And the. Matter of fact, from day one I should have just bought a Dunkin' Donuts. So they had had merger discussions in the '70s to merge the institutions, and the Higgins finally ran out of runway. Richard Dauenhauer, poet. But what I picked up, obviously, had an impact. I mean, I was a minion. Taste-making is a very difficult game, and, you know, obviously, we're outgunned by Vogue magazine, all the way down toyou know, Cond Nast Publications to, you know, you name itto Sotheby's. I was walking through the room, and they were giving this lecture, so I sat for the lecture, of course. I think she's working throughin one of the institutions. CLIFFORD SCHORER: these are bigger projects. And Cliff, my father, is the same name as myself, as is my grandfather. But the scholarship at the time said, "Wait a minute, that looks like a preparatory drawing for that painting," which then changed the attribution of the painting to a better attribution. So, yes, I mean, I lend. CLIFFORD SCHORER: where you sort ofyou readyou know, I've read some really interesting studies of juvenile ceratopsians and how their horn formations develop. That I was. Web. So I came to that same point, that same impasse, in stamp collecting, where, okay, I have every single U.S. issue, except for these 27. And I think that was to my detriment, because certainly their wisdom could've saved me a lot of time. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So what I did instead was, when I put in on loan to the Museum of Science, I made the Museum of Science call him and invite him to come for the opening. JUDITH RICHARDS: to the Imperial porcelain? It was [Carlo] Maratti. And I mean, he didn't speakI don't think there were too many words spoken about much. [1:02:00], CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's by Antonio de Pereda. It'swhy embarrassment? CLIFFORD SCHORER: But, you know, and with the absorption of the Higgins Armory collection, the unrestricted endowment grew by 25 percent, even though the Higgins was out of money, because of the way we orchestrated that handover. JUDITH RICHARDS: And the Imperial, did you end up selling it? They were able to sell the parts of the collection that were not museum-worthy, but they raised a tremendous amount of money. So thoseyou know, those are the moments where I think about all those table arguments about this picture and that picture and [00:28:00]. So, you know, they were generally illustrated. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Not a registrar. And that onethat one wasyou know, it was estimated at, I don't know, $2,000 and it made 47,000, and I'm in the checkout line, and someone I know is there who bid against me. So I did start scaling that down, but I did always imagine every time I scaled it down, I would keep this sort of select group. So that made it, you know [00:06:00]. But if something great pops up in our little cabal, it immediately travels up to their level. Massachusetts native Clifford Schorer said the painting was used as security for a loan he made to Selina Varney (now Rendall) and that he was now entitled to it, the Blake family having failed to make a claim in a US court. You, 30 years ago. Cliff holds board advisory positions with Epibone, a company Clifford J. Schorer Director, Entrepreneur in Residence Program, Columbia Business School and Co-Director, Innovation and Entrepreneurship @ Columbia University cjs24@columbia.edu You know, the Scheldt silts up in Antwerp and ruin comes upon the city. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. ", You know, these might not beor they might be; I don't want to opine on that. [They laugh.] It was a good job. I mean, you know, recently we did some work on Joseph Wright of Derby, and Cleveland bought our Joseph Wright of Derby. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And the flea markets then were. They were contemporary dealers. CLIFFORD SCHORER: They would be artists that might be in storage and, CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, I mean they would be on the walls in some collections, and they might not be considered by art historians to be sort of the key figure of the movement, you know. Anthony's family livesthey own the Isle of Bute in [. CLIFFORD SCHORER: But you know, Chesterfield is a certain type of geo-politic. [Laughs.] In other words, you're trying to build a collection that educates you, that is much more important than just the visual experience of it, that gives a sense of art history. I think there are 3- or 400,000 photographs in our archive, and if, JUDITH RICHARDS: This is the archive that's been acquired by the National. I am none of the above. And that had a profound impact. Fortunately, Anthony Crichton-Stuart, who was running Noortman at the timeI went to see him, and I said, you know, "I won't do this unless I know that, you know, you will be available to me.". [00:38:00]. Winslow Homer. Literally, very, very inexpensive. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It was a little municipal museum. I mean, I think if youwell, I guess, in scale, Colnaghi and Agnew's were the two large players that had the large back of house. [Laughs. JUDITH RICHARDS: And that went into your endowment? And to have, you know, people who mightyou know, whose eye I respect far more than my own, like Nico Van Hout at the museum in Antwerpto have somebody like that say, "Yes, you're right; you know, this is in fact what you think it is." I mean, as a matter of fact, CLIFFORD SCHORER: There was a day when I all of sudden said, you know, I can collect paintings. This growing passion? Renowned for his powerful paintings of American life and scenery, Winslow Homer (1836-1910) remains a consequential figure whose art continues to appeal to broad audiences. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Whatever you want to do, it's fine. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So it was very, very pleasing to me to have, you know, the Antwerp Museumyou know, the KMSKAbuy, with their own money, what I consider to be a certain van Dyck sketch, you know, from a very importantyou know, one of his pictures in the Prado, one of his preparatory sketches for one of the pictures in the Prado. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, meaning that I would be a more serious financial player in the art market, not a face. Menu. I mean, paleontology, you have to understand, is the rarity of those objects, compared to the paintings we're talking about. So. They were very, very strong. I rememberI remember in those days the things that I brought on Pan Amoh, my God. And I remember coming around the corner and seeing something so staggeringly, unbelievably great that I couldn't believe it. The things I brought into the passenger cabin. In the old art, it's a little easier, because you don't have living artists advocating for, you know, those sorts of things. JUDITH RICHARDS: There wasn't time to look for someone else if he had not. I've got some French examples. I've also had some crazy requests that I won't honor, you know, museums in France that want to do awant to recreate the human digestive system, and they want toyou know, they want to have thisI have a painting by [Pieter] Huys, H-U-Y-S, and it's ait's this screaming woman. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know that these regional areas in Bulgaria were the places where they found the Thracian gold hoards, and then, of course, the national government took it all away from them. The party was also attended by Winslow Homer who was asked by Lady Blake to sketch the children. So the thing I noticed right away was, we have a museum with this collection in a second city in New England that has only 20,000 visitors a year. It was the High Baroque of Rome. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Just the gallery in London, right. So then when you put thewhatever works you lend to institutions, do they borrow also the supporting works? I mean, there were 20th-century and 19th-century fakes galore, everywhere you look. His hair was wet; I thought it was a Poseidon statue. And by the time I was born, he was deceased and the family was bankrupt. So a couple months go by, and I get this photo, and I open it up, and it's really wonderful. It doesn't have to be, you know, Grandma's attic. Yes, there are big, big changes. And so we've certainlywe've done a very strong Pre-Raphaelite program; we've done a very strong early 20th-century program; we are not really. We sold the real estate. CLIFFORD SCHORER: For theyou know, luckily, we have the sands of time to wear away the lesser works from the, you know, from the museum-quality question of whether an Old Master belongs in a museum. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I wouldn'tI would probably never acquire another gallery, because that wouldI mean, I think I would probably be more of a financial investor in other art businesses, potentially service businesses. So, you know, to me, I'm in awe of that ability. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Oh, boy, that's a tough one. Local fishing used both lines and nets, and the women were responsible for maintaining and preparing them for the men. So, you know, I think that's why I say it's a hobby you can take to your tomb. JUDITH RICHARDS: So now you've kind of put collecting on the back burner. Winslow Homer. Or did you have friends who also had these interests? He was a good discoverer. I think today the number of collectors and clients is smaller. The angels that were inI believe it was The Adoration of Mary of Egypt, or Maryit was Mary of Egypt, The Last Communion of [Saint] Mary of Egypt. I collect Dutch landscapes. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I get my screw gun and I open whatever I want to open whenever I want to look at it, so, yes. So I went along with it because, you know, I thought, Okay, I'll get some [00:01:59]. So we're changingone by one, we're changing the buildings. Clifford Schorer. So back then, you know, we were in. Clifford Schorer and Judith Olch Richards have reviewed this transcript. I mean, it went from, you know, plastic box in Plovdiv to now, you know, altar throne in the Sofia National Museum via the London, you know, RA show on the greatest bronzes. So I was in the room, andI think her name is Marietta Corsini? JUDITH RICHARDS: Whenas we're getting into the '90s, is that when the involvement with painting started? It was amazing. Well, we still have some aspects of those things, but certainly not at the scale. I think that isactually, I think five years is November of this year. So of theof the monochromes, the earlier pieces, I only have maybe 20 pieces left. I went from, you know, the Gustave Moreau museum to theor well, pre-d'Orsay, right? JUDITH RICHARDS: So coming back to your, CLIFFORD SCHORER: family. [Laughs.]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So I did two things at the same time, and you're going to laugh. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I do not. Winslow Homer American Painter, Watercolorist and Printmaker Born: February 24, 1836 - Boston, Massachusetts Died: September 29, 1910 - Prout's Neck, Maine Movements and Styles: American Realism , Naturalism , The Sublime in Art , American Realism Winslow Homer Summary Accomplishments Important Art Influences and Connections Useful Resources It was a kind of seeding operation, where they would send objects all over the United States. "Winter"A Skating Scene, published January 25, 1868. And they probably bought it the week before, because the trade was very different back then. [Laughs.] They just would not be the most prominent? But, you know, that, to me, is all very rewarding. How much institutions' collecting is based on what collectors want to collect versuspossibly versus what the curators want to collect. SoAnna Cunningham; she doesshe's the one who sort ofshe keeps all the sheep herded; so she keeps us focused on what we need to do [laughs], and she manages all of the gallery operations. So, yes, to me, that was the detour, but it waswhich was pure craft, but I esteem the craft as much as the conception, and I know that I'll never have the craft. And my role has come down to the things I'm good at, which is financial management and, you know, making sure that we, I think, take measured aesthetic steps. JUDITH RICHARDS: Oh, so you owned it for many. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Johnny Van Haeften. JUDITH RICHARDS: To considering and, in fact, acquiring a partialyou were the head of a group of investors, JUDITH RICHARDS: And that's been since 2014, right? I mean, you know, we have aboutI'm trying to remember how many photographs there are. JUDITH RICHARDS: Is that the first time you've encountered that kind of [laughs] situation? So. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Professor [Ernest] Wiggins. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, no, but you know what I mean. JUDITH RICHARDS: And what was Ruth's last name? JUDITH RICHARDS: and at the Worcester Art Museum. [00:34:00]. So it wasn't that I had a great knowledge; it's just that I thought Boston was very beautiful. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And, you know, I visit English country homes now with Agnew's all the time, and I see these panel paintings that have been hanging in the same spot for 350 or 400 years, CLIFFORD SCHORER: And they're in good shape, because the English climate is very humid. Take me through." CLIFFORD SCHORER: D'Albo, D, apostrophe, A-L-B-O. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I mean, I think that, in general, they just wanted an opinion. I liked heavy curtains. JUDITH RICHARDS: Because how you define a collection and the price point? We didsoand I decided to do my homage to Carlo Crivelli. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That's very funny. JUDITH RICHARDS: Have youdo you imagine in the future acquiring another art business? And by 13, I thought I had no business in school, which is why that sort of very constricted environment up in New Hampshire was tough for me. The Daniele Crespi, which was a very early Daniele Crespi that Otto Naumann, the dealer in New York, had purchased in 1994 as Lombard School. Did you ever imagine focusing your entire life on thison collectingin every aspect? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, we didn't get that far because they were literally setting it up when I arrived. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It has a whale vertebrae, a really good example. So I love to do a little bit of everything. JUDITH RICHARDS: You were traveling a lot in the '80s. I felt very, very good about that moment, because it was ayou know, I've always been concerned about the state of van Dyck scholarship, especially recently, because. So, anyway, you know, then, at some point, I fixated on the idea that maybe I would do something a little more serious in the art market. You know, it clouds my view of the artwork. JUDITH RICHARDS: And issues or concerns about it, too. For an angel, I thought this was [laughs] such an unusual thing, to give them such a worldly attribute, you know, almost a peasant, worldly attribute. And you know, I'myou know, if you ask me to, I'll do the carpentry, the electrical, and the plumbing. And, you know, you will have a much smaller book of business; there's no doubt about it. JUDITH RICHARDS: But timewise, was that the beginning of your starting to explore that area? I brought an entire chair, a French chair, into the passenger cabin. I mean, I think that right nowso what we did in the interim is, we did this portraiture show which brought in, CLIFFORD SCHORER: It brought in Kehinde Wiley, Lucien Freud, and, CLIFFORD SCHORER: you know, otheryou know, Kehinde Wiley's. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Gallery exhibition, or that take the gallery in ayou know, in the direction that Anthony wants us to steer. JUDITH RICHARDS: Did you find it fulfilling? Periodically, they'll have them here in New York when theythey'll have a dinner with the Belgian ambassador, and they do this sort of thing. And [00:14:03]. It was a much smaller circle. More from This Artist Similar Designs. Listing of the Day Location: Provincetown, MassachusettsPrice: $3.399 million This starkly modern and dramatic home was built in 2013 as a guesthouse to an adjacent flat-roofed, glass . In her later years, Olive was described by one of her . The art questions were Anthony's bailiwick. And at one point I had five Daniele Crespis, because I thought he was, you know. As embedded artist with the Union army, Winslow Homer captured life at the front of the Civil War. I guessI guess I felt a bit insecure about the fact that I needed their help to learn something. JUDITH RICHARDS: Does Agnew's publish? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: that's, you knowand not even scholars, just, you know, let people enjoy them for what they are. So that is something I did with them. This transcript has been lightly edited for readability by the Archives of American Art. And then I watch them set the record on every single fake in the room. [00:42:06]. But let's just say that there were reactions to what was going on after it happened. Her book was from '88 or something, or '90. Yeah, they close rooms. You had to reallythey had to see you a lot before they would talk to you. You know, I wouldn't stop. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, it's very arbitrary, and I think maybe they were going to open it later, and maybe they weren't. And it's not really suitable for old art. And, I mean, it's an enormous orbit. So there wasn't any collecting going on at that point. But, yeah, I mean. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. And you know, I got to know him less and less during that period. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And he's a very entertaining historian. And if the auction house can earncan tell a client, "Well, we're not going to charge you anything; we'll charge the buyer. But there is a long-term plan that the museum and I are talking about for the things they want to keep. To me, the Met is visiting friends, you know, visiting pictures that, you know, I know from [laughs]I look at the granular level of certain paintings because I know them very well. You're going into someone else's space to show an artwork. I don't even remember the day. JUDITH RICHARDS: level of your interest. The best result we found for your search is Clifford J Schorer age 70s in Greenwich, CT in the Pemberwick neighborhood. I mean, there's so many things in New York. This is the flotsam and jetsam of my other businesses. But I wouldin France and Europe, I generallynobody had the money to just go wander around. Professor Schorer is a serial entrepreneur who specializes in the start-up acquisition and development of small and mid-sized companies. JUDITH RICHARDS: So that's a huge change? CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, yes, every day. JUDITH RICHARDS: When you say serious, you mean in terms of business? Without that, we could not feed these people. He and I. Massachusetts native Clifford Schorer said the painting was used as security for a loan he made to Selina Varney (now Rendall) and that he was now entitled to it, the Blake family having failed to make a claim in a US court. I met a few collectors that I still know. So that was my 2000 [TEFAF] Maastricht, where I went away dejected but finally redeemed myself. High quality Clifford Schorer Winslow Homer-inspired gifts and merchandise. And his son, Caleb, is also deceased. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes. And then I moved to Boston directly. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And everywhere I went, I met people. The Spanish state effectively seized one of them, and I got the other one, so I got an export license for the other one. JUDITH RICHARDS: Having that photograph at hand to show you gives me the sense that they already knew that it would be mistaken. So today I actually have two paintings from that same series. JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah, of course. And I became first in my class so I could not go back. I meansomething very strangebut nothing, no art. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, I knew Plovdiv has an important role in antiquity, but I didn't know what I was going to see there. JUDITH RICHARDS: And there are fewer young. And so theyI put it on a seven-year loan there, and then at the end of seven years, there were a number of stipulations. Or. So, you know, that was where my role was. [00:28:00]. And there was one large mud sculpture of a horse on the floor in the lobby at Best Products. 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