If there is one, then I would ask the readers of this site to please post it for our enlightenment. 13:5). However, I watched the second video first. The unveiling is the culmination of all truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose & that is to reveal Christ to us in all His glory. Sndergaard is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. I think you had better check those scriptures again. And so, he just did what the bible said for him to do. If God is doing it, then it is sweet if man is doing it then there is bitterness. Anytime in scripture that God done something then immediately the enemy came to destroy it. Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be, Stephan Joubert se Deurlees van die Boek Openbaring, Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments, Freemasonry / Ordo Novum Seclorum / Illuminati, Exposed: Holy Spirit vs Unholy Spirit of Fire. Jesus is 100% God but He also was and is and always will be a very easy and normal MAN and to live with. Lord heal out hearts of the cynicism. It is a flow of the Living Waters of the Spirit Himself when our SELF/FLESH BOWS DOWN AND SURRENDERS. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, I believe many who use the discernment rationale, are being dishonest with themselves. (2 Co 11:3-4), From my experience people who blindly follow Torben and the Last Reformation tend to be shallow, immature very rude and judgmental if you dont exclusively follow all their teachings like water baptism as a requirement for salvation and that everything is a demon that needs to be cast out. God said to the Apostles, and therefore also to us today Wait upon the Holy Spirit for the power from on high (for the HS unction) and then go out. Such being the case, we must go to the Bible to determine God's will with regard to modern - day apostles. As you said we are all parts of His Body & it is to Him we look & praise for what He is doing in us & in our brothers & sisters. ALL flesh is susceptible, ALL flesh. I am having such a hard time accepting that the word WEIRD only applies to the demonic. Updated 7 Dec, 2020. I totally disagree with his position. Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 days old, and He was baptised by John the Baptist when He was 30. I dont even have the right words for the understanding that I do have, or think I have. A creator, a public speaker, a faith healer, and a Danish Christian evangelist named Torben Sondergaard has stated that God addressed him directly. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.. The Holy Spirit IS THE GIFTwho MANIFESTS healing, prophecy, words of wisdom, etc etc etc. His organization, The Last Reformation, has been described as extreme, dangerous and a cult by former followers, former board members of the organization, the press, other churches, and professionals. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. But God has` His keys,`for studying His Word. Actually it was the Pharisees that were always questioning Jesus trying to nitpick all the wrong things He was doing. Each and every one of us I can perform this trick myself. Like just maybe he wants His fire burning, and not that of others? `in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`, This shows the reconciliative advocacy of the exalted Son of Man. 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Will you tithe if I pray for you and God gives you your arm back? We should let the Lord direct people in their belief. Acts 5:38-39 Mar 9:40 KJV For he that is not against us is on our part. he was encouraging the early church to return to the FIRE OF GOD thay had when the church was BORN IN ACTS 2 after the preaching of Gods word lifting up Jesus and the Father sent the Gift as promised. To accredit the winsome and wonderful man Christ Jesus with convulsions, animal noises, crears, hundreds of people acting completely out of control, jerking , wild shaking, out of control mocking laughter- to attribute these to Jesus is blasphemy and just plain stupid! Each one is even given different measures of faith, another thing that is often forgotten about. , (John 1:33) And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.. The world will always recognize Jesus when He is given right of way in His people. If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? As a work? I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. Always listen to the teaching and doctrine of the one doing the miracles first and second if you are able check out the fruit (lifestyle) of the one doing miracles. For all those caught up in this demonic mess and want to be set free please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance? He believes he is a self appointed apostle with a Last Reformation belief system. Today believers are not baptised John the Baptist and there is no need to be re-baptised over and over and over again they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. [url removed]. I was familiar with sick people, having ministered to them for so many years. Later, an ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his visa. Torben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. His mother really meant a lot to him and when he heard this bad news he cried and cried and then he prayed to God. Paul Benson A Bottomless Bucket (Part 5), Paul Benson An anti-Dispensational Bottomless Bucket (Part 4), Verily,verily,I sayunto thee,Excepta manbe bornof, ,he cannotenterintothe kingdomof God., These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have, Latter Rain Teaching / Dominionism / Kingdom Now, page recently and I find it very interesting, https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist, The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. For me the thing that sets Torbin apart from the previous spiritual streams of the supernatural ( of which Bill Johnson is possibly the biggest a distributor of and that statement isnt evaluating Johnsons authenticity as a child of God- but just an objective fact) Nonetheless- the differene e between Torbin and this previous stream IS THAT TORBIN MOVES IN APIRITUAL POWER AND GIFTS WITHOUT DESCENDING INTO WIERDSVILLE!!!! I hate those gift inventories for this reason. On the contrary, Im sure you hope and pray as I do that they will be aware of and resist the wiles of the adversary and remain in the humble simplicity of Christ, amen! Unfortunately, all we have to test the spirits with is the video. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Remembering that the enemy is subtle, counterfeiting the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. May the Lord bless Pastor Torden and his friends in the Lord. Jesusanswered,Verily,verily,I sayunto thee,Excepta manbe bornofwaterandofthe Spirit,he cannotenterintothe kingdomof God. Lets see why: Baptism in water was for Jewish unbelievers. His legal team told us they have filed an administrative request for release with ICE Detention officer Alan Young, who has the power to order Torben released from custody pending his asylum trial. When we see the goodness of the Lord in our lives, when he heals us and fills us with his presence, it not only convinces and blesses us, but convinces unbelievers. The Holy Spirit & His Word agree. Everything God does is HOLY- EVERYTHING GOD DOES FOR US , IN IS AND THROUGH IS IS HOLY-His love is holy, His works are holy , His miracles are holy, His motives are holy EVERYTHING INITIATED AND COMPLETED BY MAN IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE! And when man USES these things, that is witchcraft. They are all in a web of deception. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. I have just posted a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that happen when this is done. According to the doctrine of Pentecostalism, if you cant speak in tongues, then you are not saved. We dont consider Him to have been of weak faith. I continued to suffer pain for almost another year, before going to a chiropractor, where I was first x-rayed, then we discussed my history. You said, `the backdrop of the whole Bible is needed to understand the point & purpose of revelation.` So true. There may have been those that didnt respond in love and in a true biblical manner to honestly test the spirits, but to generalize anyone who didnt believe the video as true biblical healing as a cynic was wrong to do. He then slapped his hands on the shoulder itself and commanded the arm to grow out. I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me. In such statements as these, Jesus made it clear that He is the sole and perfect means of salvation, and except through Him there is no salvation (compare Acts 4:12). This is what deception is all about. I think he purposely included those leg lengthening healings to scandalize and expose the hearts of the skeptics. stayed in his home and spent time with his family. It is not a judgment nor an accusation, we have seen so little of the body of Christ functioning in the many various giftings that we dont know the difference any more. 2. But Jesus said greater works than these shall you do! God doesnt need your help in getting His truth out. You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. An x-ray showed severe damage, and I was off work for 3 weeks on my back, then a return to work still suffering from pain in lower back and leg (sciatica). Fear THAT MAN! Why cant people see this? I do find it interesting how everyone attacks those trying to bring people into the knowledge of the truth. always been very clear that true healings, prophecies, dreams, I have actually known Torben personally for 5 or 6 years. The early church emphasised the objective teaching of the apostles over subjective feelings, and that teaching is contained in the whole of the New Testament, including pre and post Acts. The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and regularly receive divine visions. barryrschmidt@gmail.com, You know friends I totally get and appreciate both sides of the questioning miracles argument. I did nothing of myself ! "Emotionally, this has been one of the hardest things I've ever experienced in my life, and it has been very humbling, and I have learned endurance like never before, and that it is important not to live by our feelings and emotions but to walk by the Spirit," Torben wrote in a recent Facebook post. by Jonathan Welton. He says that people that were baptised by John the Baptist needed to be baptised again by the Holy Spirit. You will see it works. Why are not all of us down at our local shopping malls praying for people? she told me she normally weighed less than 150 pounds but with the growing tumor she weighed over 400 pounds . Have we thrown out of the bible all the SUPERNATURAL POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD? Since the Todd Bentley debacle and other waves of Charis- My answer is simple Jesus never copied ANYONE. Ive had no pain since that time. This is Elijah against the the 450 prophets of baal. Share on twitter. I also believe that `experiencing,` comes through being changed into His likeness, which is the most amazing work of God in our lives. Andrew JH thankyou for that good news update . By its fruit you will know whether the tree is good or bad. Not only that but it has Torbens website all over it which is loaded with written and video material to check out. a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that EVERY sin and iniquity can be traced back to NOT BELIEVING 1 or any number of these 5 statements below. Genesis 15:9; 17:9. Johnsons bethel healing rooms use techniques such as father ladders, fruit loop, and four doors. The Manuel is full of rules and regulations. 2) to stand in awe of, be awed We have to go forward into the `true,` thing.`. I saw a lady several weeks later who looked like this lady but because this lady was a normal size I thought it might be her sister . Going beyond the person to see what the Lord is doing in & through them. Torben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. He sold all he had, quit his job and moved to Redding California, in what he thought was faith, to get his wife healed. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. May we all have the zeal and faith of new believers who havent been tainted by the spirit of religion. In Jesus name we pray ! I am so excited to watch this, to see how Torbin is excited ,not about himself but about what God is doing. Because he wants to give us the more. The rush of power into his person was so great that it caused him to fall on the floor. He claims that about 90 percent of all the people, that he or others in his team pray for, are healed. TELEPORTING WAS USED OFTEN in the NT. Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda [35][36]. It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. The Holy Spirit does NOT base this on how HOLY a person is. Thank you so much Andrew for sharing these videos with us. He carries the burden of a broken heart. A few things really stick out for me in this video, but dont run away after reading the below, stick around to the end of article for the best of this mans doctrine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with testing the spirit, e.g. and he says to them depart from Me, you worker of iniquity. This is what has happened throughout history and is nothing new. He can also STOP anytime He wants to. Guess most like the overblown antics that most of todays healers/preachers do. He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- I do remember Him saying something about the Pharisees who was calling Him evil for healing and casting out devils. Excerpt taken from Your Power In The Holy Spirit By John G Lake. They also love to twist Gods word! 1) to be struck with fear, to be seized with alarm I desire mercy not sacrifice. I agree with Rev. So I am going to be featuring a lot more of Torbens stuff on here. you begged and pleaded for because you refuse to repent. Sndergaard also read scripture as part of his defense to show how he was following Christ's commands, making the Bible part of the case record. When my dad died, I lost it and wept, my emotions were running wild and I was broken. Got kids?Yes.This man needs to be able to make a living. He is an independent agent creating his own kingdom of the world, presenting it as the Kingdom of God. But there are some who do have shortened legs and corresponding back problems. Andrew S. quite rightly said in `Sad reaction to Walmart healings,` that `At some point we have to be about establishing what is right. Absolutely not! This prophesy shall be fulfilled in Gods people ! comments that try to pick apart every aspect of them. I think a lot of people need to repent. For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, And deep darkness the people; But the Lord will arise over you, And His glory will be seen upon you.. The basis for the healing rooms training, techniques, and charge of admission is not found in the Bible. If and when I ever go public with my deeds, then you can test me to see if it is of the Lord. He never flattered people in power, such as Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, enticing them to join His group and help Him If He had compromised with the Pharisees, He could probably have obtained worldly influence easily. The GLORY is the TANGIBLE MANIFESTATION OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND HIS NATURE. I believe this goes along with the last revival article by Wilkerson. The Transfiguration was either TELEPORTING or GHOSTS APPEARING..which the bible condemns calling up spirits of the dead. Since the whole of the scriptures CONDEMNS BEING FEARFUL, ANXIOUS AND WORRIED, then I would have to say that Paul was of weak faith when it came to the letter he was writing. Praise the Lord! We have all learned those past lessons of gullibility and stupidity in embracing that charismatic sorcery. And treat His holy things as HOLY? I find it amazing when you ask to pray for someone, when the Holy Spirit is with you, Ive NEVER had a knock back. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. watchful, your message about running from the spot light is a good one. We are also men of the same nature as you, and preach the gospel to you that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM. http://www.apostasywatch.com/Wolves/WolfReports/BillJohnsonBethelChurchReddingCa/WARNINGBILLJOHNSONandBETHELCHURCH/tabid/260/Default.aspx. a) to seek to promote ones interests Gods idea of glory is not the same as mans idea of glory. 2) to cause astonishment and awe, be held in awe Gods word teaches in 1 John 3 & 4 that the Holy Spirit resides in us. There have been times that you have fallen prey to allowing your zeal to post a story that was later found out to be untrue or not of the Lord. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm TELEPORTING or APPEARING. His team pray for you and God gives you your arm back Spirit, e.g techniques, money. Like just maybe he wants his fire burning, and money to do what we do dad died, have! 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