Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. These are Bob's dimensions. 0.144 As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. (Jerry Foster). This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. Everything is subjective, but for me Morten, the 1949 version of the 8013 listed in the Lovely Reed is the best version of this taper. bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. So far everyone that has put the numbers up on Russ Goodings 7613 LT has listed 19 measurements. (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". I like 8013's. The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! (Greg Reeves). 0.292 How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. In the local streams we suffer the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but use #4 or #3 lines. Tell me about it please. 40 .200 under grip The difference is for a step-down ferrule. Jim Payne. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. Click Here for Rod Raffle About Bob New Rods Purchasing & Shipping Dickerson Garrison Gillum Glass & Graphite Hardy Heddon Leonard Miscellaneous Rods Orvis Books & Catalogs Other Items Payne Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. Ten measurements on the butt and ten stations on the tip. I am still trying to fully define the effect, positive and negative each of these regions have on rod action. Post Howell says "they are just different" in his book, but I am looking for something bit more specific. Made 2 of the heavier one. I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. 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For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? Some use this to define the average rod speed. In fact, if you want to design a cane "Parabolic" which will perform as Ritz wanted all you have to do is choose a tip taper you fancy and plonk it out on the end of a fast taper hollow built butt of whatever length you fancy. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. (Mark Wendt), Thanks Dennis! I am assuming this is an unvarnished rod. The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. I deducted .005 for the varnish. We are typically roll casting about five yards of line at very small fish, so all things can be subjugate to that. Pickard makes nice rods for sure. As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. 0.093 Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). An 861711 would be an 8 1/2' three piece, with the butt-to-mid ferrule being a size 17, and the mid-to-tip ferrule being a size 11. (Robin Haywood). Worked well enough for me to pass the test. Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. Lyle Dickerson Spurred into rodmaking by losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on to become one of the masters of the craft. So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. (Gary Nicholson). But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. The taper I used was from "The Lovely Reed." I highly recommend him. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. I will assume that you have calculated those several effects correctly, although I see no details. To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. (Peter Jones), If you "Put some cane back" in the bottom eighteen inches or so of the top joint you will have removed most of my objections. 0.153 On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. (Larry Swearingen). by softstick 05/09/09 04:36, Post 0.178 When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. 35 0.1695 In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post 1 wt 0.0540 (Mark Wendt), Dickerson (like all of us who draw their own tubing) used 1/64 wall tubing to construct his ferrules. . I have never seen an actual inch by inch measure and measure for ferrules listed that I felt was more reliable than this. I was contemplating a rod with a 3.5 ft tip section and interchangeable butt sections of maybe 2, 3 and 4 ft lengths. In fact, I used this taper, hollow built, when taking the FFF casting certification test. Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer Used but very good serviceable condition. Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. (Inches) (Inches) Stress A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. (Peter Jones) Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. . And this set of conditions is very narrow. They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). At the Grayling gathering, Bill Harms gave a presentation of Marinaro's approach to rod design. (Chris Obuchowski). Your projected experiment may be described as simplistic and wasteful of time by some, but I think that you will learn a very great deal about what you personally like about taper rates. Except that they are US rated and thus #5's! Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. Very nice guy. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. (Will Price), Dickerson standardized his reel seats with a 3/8's inside diameter bore, hence the .375 under the grip and reel seat. As for the ferrule size, I use a 14/64 ferrule. Reversed half wells cork grip. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". John Pickard only way to go. I think of it as an 8013G. All rights reserved. You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. 30 .174 .318 For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. Dickersons original taper was as Mark stated and a true 5 wt. Short cased and portable. The other point is that in the case of, for want of a better word, 'non-extreme' rods, I believe that what happens in the top 20" is the primary determinant of the line weight. The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. Part of the midwestcadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. Can do a little better some days, but not always. My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. (Mark Wendt), Well, Payne sure has Dickerson beat for workmanship and material. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. If you want to see the justification for compound tapers look at the design of the Eiffel tower or any electricity pylon. You can draw a straight line between the tip and the butt of any taper. You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. All of the Dickerson tapers I have made using Super Zs have been great. Deduct 0.006 from butt, 0.004 from tip. (Paul Blakley), I have a taper for the Dickerson 7613 and am a little confused. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. They were both practicing engineers! There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. The 1st station on the butt section is NOT .214, it should be.208@0, then as follows: .214@5 You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. It is quite different that the Garrison math method. Powell Rods. by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post The rod in question has a test curve of 4 ozs, by the way. 0.102 It's a 7 wt too but being a little shorter is easier on the arm and shoulder due to the shorter lever arm length. (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs. It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. Let's be honest about this. 0.168 This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. This in itself is a very interesting exercise. 0.360 (Jay Hake). The only limit you have in this process, you can't change the tip diameter because you would be changing the line weight of the rod. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. First, no one casts the same. (Tom Peters), 0.066 If you were to design rods using a visual representation of it's deflection then deviation from a straight line doesn't matter. 0.266 0.278 Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. All but the parabolic and the hinge will have the same ferrule dimension so tips and butt sections can be interchanged to create any of the major taper variations. 42 .194 .066 (Max Satoh), Yep, the drop at the ferrule is .014 which should call for the use of a step down. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. 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