Bunsen Honeydew: Christianity has become more about having correct ideology than pure hearts and how people exercise the faith. Its perfectly manly for dads to wade into rowdiness or do any child-care chore. Looks like Carl *Low Shorts* Lentz has some friends out there. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, who followed them are now confused and disillusioned. +++++++++++++++. Inexperienced and unproven, they assume Lead Pastor roles right out of the chute! The practice of Swinging/Wife Swapping is straight out of those pre-AIDS, pre-Herpes, pre-Chlamydia days of the Swinging Seventies. Evangelicals would all excitedly say Yes! lol But to answer yes is a sign there may be grandiose traits within a persons personality and way of relating to people around them. How come its the men wife swapping! I saw the same thing with husbands and wives all the time, as well. He never really liked it as he thought if it continued, you might have only 10-15 pastors left in the country. YOU SHUT UP!. The church followed through on their promise to support the two families, keeping them on the payroll for a short time. And remember, Calvin was an accomplice to murder. Headless Unicorn Guy: The Lure of the Inner Ring. When they fail to do that, they must be held to account publicly. . Mercy meets practical needs, as does helps or service (not the pastors To Do Checklist). From annual traditions like the Cultural Extravaganza, to faculty vs. student kickball Young(ish) Ian McShane, what a cutie. I could see this as an outsider (from Growing up Martian); what about some GUBA (Grew Up Born Again) immersed in Christianese Culture since conception with NO outside perspective or possibility of same? A pastor can easily move from church to church after doing all sorts of bad things, and the next church he lands at is none the wiser. The technical skills can be learned as needed, but the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. When I learned that the chairman of the elders board at my church had been swinging with his much younger second wife (who had been coerced into it), had defrauded a church member and a person from outside the church, then committed insurance fraud a number of times (one of which caused an innocent fatality), it was shocking and sickening. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction! That is bad. . Ive watched some of them do terrible things right in front of me and one I am thinking of still thinks he has the right to rule everyone else and is trying (badly) to accomplish that. How come its the men wife swapping! At my former church I came to see that our pastor was a liar. Wimberley has also previously performed at Lake Pointes summer youth camp, Journey. I think they had only one murder mystery during my favorite seasons 2-5 (with Eric has his apprentice/other sidekick); instead, most of the mysteries were the type a somewhat-shady antique dealer would encounter: fakes, frauds, cons, counter-cons, and general strangeness, all delivered with a wry sense of humor. emily honey: I notice grandiose statements in Christian schools and churches mission, marketing statements all the time. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). Women and aforementioned involved dads start to corral kids and put away toys. Sorru tp be sour apples here, but would a psychological assessment have caught any of these four? We will do everything we can to walk with ever person impacted by this, not just now, but in the months to come.. However, rumors were starting to circulate about what was REALLY going on with the Halls & the Wimberleys. Henry Hunter Hall is known for Harriet (2019), Waist Deep (2006) and The Watcher (2022). According to this sermon dated April 7, 2019, Chandler says hes known Hall since he was 16 years old. The enemy of God offers counterfeits to everything, including grace., Association of Related Churches people had mostly left, the venue was emptying out. "Pastor Hall tenured his resignation to the church Thursday after being charged with DUI on Wednesday evening. a remedial explanation: the belief system of The Village Church is complementarianism, in which God commands the husband to lead and the wife to follow. Men often assumed or spoke for me and other women. Every time I think Ive heard it all, I realize I havent. One example if a person was being evaluated over the course of therapy sessions: Then theyre perpetuated and enforced in those same dynamics and ideas in seminaries and churches when they leave their late teens early 20s. B. G. Prince - 1899; Rev. Do Pastor and Worship Leader wear polyester leisure suits open to their navels showing off their coke spoons dangling against dyed chest hair? or meal plans. A lot of these men are grown and harvested in problematic college ministries, Bible colleges,and discipleship programs when theyre young. Samuel Conner: the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. how did his namesake religion turn into narcissist-jacka$$-master-&-servant-neurotic-dysfunction central? Its an unappealing life for narcissists, although of course some of them are highly determined. Great comment. FORMER VILLAGE CHURCH SATELLITE ROCKED BY ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING IT FORMER P [], So, what we have here is one adult couple participating in consensual sexual relations with another adult couple. I notice grandiose statements in Christian schools and churches mission, marketing statements all the time. They have matured in their faith at The Village Church. aising cattle and selling expensive, but guaranteed, clean steaks. The site also notes he was a former chaplain to the Plano Fire and Police. Nobody who goes to bed at eight every night can be a Swinger.. You said it elastigirl, you said it. example, two out of three UHCL students received some kind of aid package. ++++++++++++. . elastigirl: and then in-groups and out-groups are created. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. The sin was not confessed, but was discovered by someone involved, and when confronted, Hunter admitted to the sin. Dont ask, dont tell? I was told that a lot of the members of this church expressed very uncaring and un-Christlike attitudes toward the Bragg family when the allegations against Matt Tonne were made public. Even if they say their wives were on board it might actually be the men were for it so they automatically assume thats what their wife wanted. So I suspect that if there is a brighter future for church, it will be in smaller groups. Shakespeares Falstaff, now supposed to be a lovable rogue, but hes a textbook narcissistic abuser. And, boy, was their sin a beaut! We are committed to caring for you. I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. Max: Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! He has never dealt with the truth, since the truth will have nothing to do with him. Info like this could be helpful when dealing with abusive churches. Or is it a sign of embedded grandiosity? It is extremely difficult to safely extract from someone like that. With all of the recent news of Jerry & Becki Falwells strange proclivities and now Carl Lentz getting the boot from Hillsong Church because of his infidelity, Im convinced these stories come out in threes. If youre elect, then the P in TULIP teaches that youre never out no matter what. an email at housing@uhcl.edu for more information. He lied to me personally multiple times, and from the pulpit. In my opinion this appears to be a case of marital infidelity involving two consenting adults. Absolutely not? Atheism Uber Alles. Thats the same structure that the Independent Fundamentalist Baptists have. . spacious community kitchen, study lounges, student-centered spaces, high-impact programs, They wanted to make sure their kids knew the church loved them and didnt abandon them. What did He mean? 218.35 K USD. Your safety and health remain our top priority. You know the old myth that celebrities die in threes, or something to that effect? The reason Im talking about that is because today is the last day Plano is going to be on our stream. Of course, they also went to public hangings and bear-baitings for fun. of Church Safety/Accountability . changes them. Former Youth Pastor at Brewton First United Methodist Church. Which would be no great loss. Most Cults are started so the Cult Leader can (1) Get Rich, (2) Get Laid, or (3) Both. Max: some of the most godliest people in church are pew peons. Healthy churches at least live out the example. And that Elizabethan standards of humor probably differed from ours? Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: Sorru tp be sour apples here, but would a psychological assessment have caught any of these four? In addition to NPD, learning about malignant narcissists can be helpful. And even told us, anyone who wanted more information/details to help process, their doors were open. Specifically, elders and pastors are called to be above reproach. takes you. But its socks, always socks. In some denoms, a lay committee works with the candidate all the way from the perceived call through ordination and beyond. Evil b**tards. He, along with Hunter Hall, were members of the band Folk Angel, and Wimberley has gained notoriety for his spoken word presentations, most notably on the album Tell Us of the Night (Christmas album.) elastigirl: i think of jesus, who was expressly not about wealth and not about power and not about who gets to be first. of Clear Lakes high tech community. This person believes that they are the worst of all sinners to ever live and they deserve nothing good that they have. Suffering Puritan? Im convinced that New Calvinism is comprised of concentric inner rings, where young reformers pay their dues (idolize leaders buy their books, attend their conferences; tweet and retweet nuggets of knowledge from the masters; advance reformed theology in local communities; take over churches for the glory of the movement, etc.) Here is her new account. These bad-boys committed a great deception on the church. Hunter is ideally located on campus with a great backyard as well as an open quad area that is home to the Lower Quad Four square court. Are you not to judge those inside? Others in the church provided assistance in the form of monetary gifts, meals, gift cards. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. Beau Hughes, pastor of the Denton campus, says the transition has caused increased unity in his congregation. guests. Pastor Smith preached his Farewell Sermon on Sunday, August 31, 2003. there have been huge changes across the board in christianland. It is all an enmeshed mess trying to figure out what the heck is going on. The following sentence from Annas post paints the wicked picture well: A pastor is standing in front of his congregation week after week, teaching and preaching; a worship pastor is leading moving and emotion-filled music services, appearing to be fully immersed in worshiping God and bringing glory to Him but behind the scenes these two men are exchanging their spouses for sex.. Over the last several years they have been with us. Can I start a revolution where mental health assessments are a key part of allowing people to be church leaders? Antinomanism? Welcome to the Christian Industrial Complex in America, where anything goes. He would have decided whether it was time to intervene, or let the kids handle it themselves while he paid close attention. (remember Dustin Boles? So would I Max. stories, and more. And, my board had ongoing assessment while home on furlough. They are our family, and God has raised them up and established them in Plano to do ministry in Plano for the people of Plano.. And even if it fades into oblivion within a few years, how much damage will it do in the meantime? So I am feeling yet again a gospel goodbye. Millicent Hunter Ministries 4790 James Street Philadelphia, PA 19137 215/289-1704 (fax) Biography. There was no alcohol in his system and he blew 0.0 on the administered breathalyzer. HOME; ABOUT; PERSONAL INSURANCE Menu Toggle. Satan is the author of confusion. Anna is amazing. religion, including christianity, is what people make of it. Rom 12, 1 Cor 12, Eph 4. I think NPD and ASPD account for a lot of men I ran across in these circles. I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? It is so normalized it can obscure problematic behavior and tendencies, all hidden behind the name of God. (I need to keep reading, but I am so sorry, I am so sorry) You probably have a myriad of questions, and we will be creating space for that, today and in the coming days. The associate pastor was not breaking any laws. ishy: Can I start a revolution where mental health assessments are a key part of allowing people to be church leaders? I provided the scripture above as the reason why. On the other hand, most pulpiteers that I have known were not spiritual men (not Holy Spirit anyway). Theres something not right about pastors in their 20s-30s with a hand-picked elder team of same age controlling things. Most mission organizations that Im aware of dont let you leave the country without at least one assessment, often more than that. https://www.lewissociety.org/innerring/. These are open ended questions that are yet to be answered. The professors there make constant demands of students, and are constantly pointing out areas in need of improvement. A move to Colorado might put enough distance between what happened in Plano, TX & a new church opportunity for the Halls. 4,660 listeners Page CXVI. What we had here were two long term staff members of the The Village Church who were highly regarded, very popular and ready to be launched into an autonomous church body as leaders. When it is about ideology, its no longer about how you live. They take the risk of presenting a range of viewpoints instead of drilling farther and farther down into the One True Way. Ive known Hunter Hall since he was 16 years old. They require three years of rigorous academic study. And arrested their development at that point, if not regressed it to toddler level. I found that the church kept a yearly record online of significant happenings. Wow. I dont have much hope that Christian institutions will self-correct, so we pew-peons have to take the initiative. before they move into the next ring closer to the center where the big-boys live, the ring from which all rings come forth. My Comment was Deleted You cant go back and erase a bad reputation with outsiders and a failure to live above reproach (I Timothy 3:1-7). Unfortunately the congregation was met with the heavy words of teaching pastorJamin Roller and the noticeable absence of their lead pastor, Hunter Hall. Thank-you for leaving this record. Psychological assessments prior to ordination are required in some denominations, including the one to which my church belongs. when the sporting event was over we were all standing around chatting in small groups close together. Immoral behavior by church leaders is becoming far too common. Every Christian is anointed by the Holy Spirit with a gift. Pastor Mark Driscoll. After speaking with my source, who is a member at Citizens, she informed me that the Halls & the Wimberleys were very close friends outside of church, were involved in the band together, and that there did not seem to be an imbalance of power in their relationships. Part of the problem is that Evangelicalism loves to define everyone and put people into groups. Today, these youngsters are unleashed on the American church fresh out of seminary. When they fail to do so, it is the churchs responsibility to expose them publicly as a warning to others. If a church finance employee embezzled thousands of dollars from their church, do you think the next church they tried to apply for a similar position at would hire them, knowing of their misconduct? This is why I restrain myself to telling people to put a sock in it when they say something bad on Twitter. True. With. Teaching critical thinking skills and self-protection to church members is a little more tricky, because people have to want that. Wimberley has also previously performed at Lake Pointes summer youth camp, Journey. TV Lovejoy became my archetype of how to do a Rogue character right. A pastor who asks his wife to follow into this level of sin is wickedness of the worst order. what mattered was kindness and generosity. This was because the church is taking a dont ask/dont tell approach to the situation. (Im getting sarcastic). ME WANT FILL-IN-THE-BLANK! Pastor / Church Planting & Strengthening. Eugene Harris - 1898; Rev. there just werent a lot of charged issues. Evangelicalism has a cultural problem. but, maybe they also study these matters in seminary? Sexually compromised leaders at a church formerly The Village Church - Plano Campus "I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. They are the parents of three sons, and the grandparents of five. i.e. I swear dee, every time I think Ive read it all about the fundagelical quagmire, you come up with breaking news that makes the swamp even more noxious. Kids started to get tired. Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). the women clutched their invisible pearls and the men looked like theyd just been punched, (with a touch of hyperbole), and after a bit of feet-shifting & spluttering, the pastor conceded. Excellent comment. He has a Change.org petition against him returning to ministry!) Those are our people. Hunter Hall school in Penrith is an independent school for boys and girls aged 3 to 11 years, where we offer a different approach to education, i nspiring children to learn in a supportive, caring and homely environment. It reeked to high heaven! Ive known Hunter Hall since he was 16 years old. christian culture interferes with all that. After recently hearing about the death of Pastor Kim Hall, who served at Hunters Glen Baptist Church in Plano for 20 years, Pastor Hess Hester of Southern Hills Baptist Church in Tulsa said he felt led to address the problem some pastors may have in sharing personal issues. She also asked me to direct people from Twitter to her new post. I know some of the rote testing has questions similar to the following: I finally walked up and said, Hey, maybe the dads could break up the party in the back?. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. Wimberley was the worship pastor at the Dallas Northway campus before joining Hall at the Plano campus. peer pressure. 14,350 listeners . It was during this process that she revealed there was more to the story. Main Menu. In 2013, The Village Church released a rap album featuring Wimberley with a duet of Wimberley & popular Christian rapper Tedashii. Getting Here 8 Quad Way Durham, NH 03824 United States 603-862-1179 + We already have some of that with Hillsong and Life.Church having campuses in the DFW area. And when you add God to the mix as Enforcer THAT is the real meaning behind Generational Curses.). Whew!I continued reading and now grieved in the inner man.Immoral behavior by church leaders is becoming far too common.This one is about as sick as it gets.The following sentence from Annas post paints the wicked picture well: I have to say Im not surprised this happened in a New Calvinist church as Ive said before, the movement is drifting toward antinomianism.The overemphasis on grace-this and grace-that appears to be releasing these leaders from the obligation to observe moral law.And Im not surprised that this came from the Acts 29 corner of New Calvinism, an organization which was founded by potty-mouth Mark Driscoll and now headed by Matt Chandler. He might have sidled up to the hostess and sought her opinion. Sometimes pastors start to burn out, or they have family problems or health problems, or substance issues. I might work myself up to a 10-pack of Haines socks for something terrible, and stinky, sweaty socks for the truly awful. it was the obvious question hanging in the air. Secondly, it is a form of justice. Cheap grace has infected the church. At one point, cars did not have headlights. The way to deal with this kind of behavior, though, is not to stop preaching grace. (A lot of men werent like that but it was definitely a pretty high percentage who were) A few women seemed NPD, too. Who is Hunter Hall? Why? success. my old Dungeonmaster, in a post-game recreational thinking session. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning I Timothy 5:20. I hope someday someone does a study on it. In addition to Marvin Hunter, she is survived by four sons, 11 daughters, 70 grandchildren, more than 250 great-grandchildren, and more than 300 great-great-grandchildren, and more than 12 great . They require three years of rigorous academic study. These people are holy. I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. After speaking with my source, who is a member at Citizens, she informed me that the Halls & the Wimberleys were very close friends outside of church, were involved in the band together, and that there did not seem to be an imbalance of power in their relationships. Why dont you say a the wives were swapping their husbands! Rob Adair. He very sternly called them out for tolerating the sin a sin so awful that even secular society would recoil, and went on to instruct the church to cast out the wicked person from among them. I keep wondering what pastors of mega churches think pastors do. Those people are depraved. Others in the church provided assistance in the form of monetary gifts, meals, gift cards. It may be better to screen for these traits, and that might be more possible if the candidates are people who are known to the congregation for a long time. how in the world did this happen? This is a problem, and baked into their DNA. We dont say, Only the wrong people use headlights., We also dont say, Wouldnt it be nice if I could see where I am driving at night hmm. Visit the Guest Housing Section. In a letter dated May 25, 2021, Hunter, who is pastor of the Grace Memorial Church on Chicago's West Side, briefed Pelosi on the murder of his 17-year-old great nephew. This is hurtful and ugly and you dont even know the entire story and are making assumptions about peoples lives and telling it as truth. You can also submit your own story idea. Ken Bowling, Assistant. Im sure for some it starts early in teenage years/youth group. . Nine adults and nine kids (ages 1.5-7). ++++++++++++++++. In August 2020, an announcement was made to the members of Citizens Church that there would be another meeting with an update concerning Hunter Hall. Anna, my good friend at No Eden Elsewhere, got booted off of Twitter when she tweeted that creepy pastor, Carl Lentz, should be tarred and feathered. Headless Unicorn Guy: Antinomanism? More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. Jamin Roller is still 16 years old. Rev. Our pastor followed this advice. When it is about ideology, its no longer about how you live. Their perceptions had little to almost nothing to do with what my thoughts or intentions were about a subject and didnt match me as a person at all. This one is about as sick as it gets. I am becoming increasingly concerned about Matt Chandlers ability to choose pastors that understand the need for integrity in the pulpit. Henry Hunter Hall, who was born on April 5, 1997, and is now 25 years old, has emerged as a promising newcomer. That was 30 years ago. 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